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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

Meeting of the Parliament

Vol 4, No 7 Session 1

Thursday 13 June 2002

 
 

Note: (DT) signifies a decision made at Decision Time.

The meeting opened at 9.30 am.

1. Youth Justice: Lord James Douglas-Hamilton moved S1M-3194—That the Parliament notes with concern that there are youths out on the street causing violence, causing disorder, causing vandalism and graffiti and terrifying not just older people but other young people; acknowledges that the problems of youth disorder must be given a high priority if the right to peace and security at home and in the community is to be protected; further notes that diverting 16- and 17-year-olds to the Children’s Hearings System will only defer effective deterrents and place an extra burden on a process which is already overstretched and not respected by the young offenders, and therefore calls upon the Scottish Executive to introduce an increased range of disposals, including weekend and evening detention, expansion of supervised attendance orders and community service and grounding, coupled with an increase in secure accommodation and a substantial increase in the number of community police officers to help make our streets safer.

The Minister for Education and Young People moved amendment S1M-3194.2 to motion S1M-3194—

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"recognises the problems faced by those local communities where a disproportionate amount of crime and disorder is caused by a small number of persistent offenders; considers it a priority to reduce youth disorder and youth offending; welcomes Scotland’s Action Plan to reduce youth crime and the establishment of Youth Justice Teams in each local authority; believes that effective disposals and programmes must be available to the Children’s Hearing System which make young offenders face up to the consequences of their behaviour; supports all parties involved in the youth justice system to play a full role and be accountable for their actions, and welcomes the Executive’s continuing focus on improving the youth justice system in order to reduce youth crime, the fear of youth crime and build safer communities."

Roseanna Cunningham moved amendment S1M-3194.1 to motion S1M-3194—

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"recognises continuing public concern about the levels of youth crime; regrets the failure of the Scottish Executive to take effective action to tackle such crime; believes that tackling youth crime effectively and appropriately is a key element in reducing overall levels of crime and fear of crime, and calls upon the Executive to introduce practical measures to prevent youth crime and to ensure that there are sufficient places so that those young offenders who, for their own sake, need to be looked after in secure accommodation are held in conditions appropriate to their age."

After debate, amendment S1M-3194.2 was agreed to ((DT) by division: For 64, Against 16, Abstentions 25). As a result, amendment S1M-3194.1 was pre-empted.

The motion, as amended, was then agreed to ((DT) by division: For 64, Against 15, Abstentions 26).

Accordingly, the Parliament resolved—That the Parliament recognises the problems faced by those local communities where a disproportionate amount of crime and disorder is caused by a small number of persistent offenders; considers it a priority to reduce youth disorder and youth offending; welcomes Scotland’s Action Plan to reduce youth crime and the establishment of Youth Justice Teams in each local authority; believes that effective disposals and programmes must be available to the Children’s Hearing System which make young offenders face up to the consequences of their behaviour; supports all parties involved in the youth justice system to play a full role and be accountable for their actions, and welcomes the Executive’s continuing focus on improving the youth justice system in order to reduce youth crime, the fear of youth crime and build safer communities.

2. Encouraging Diversity in Education: Brian Monteith moved S1M-3204—That the Parliament believes that schools should be given the flexibility to organise learning in the ways that best meet the needs of their pupils; further believes in the fundamental importance of diversity in education; supports the view that the elimination of denominational schools would be damaging to Scotland’s education system, and recognises that the key challenge is to improve educational opportunities for all Scotland’s young people through encouraging greater diversity and devolved management.

The Minister for Education and Young People moved amendment S1M-3204.2 to motion S1M-3204—

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"welcomes the Executive’s progress in investing in school education including A Teaching Profession for the 21st Century which recognises teachers’ valuable contribution, modernising the school estate, the establishment of clear national priorities for education with an improvement framework involving both local authorities and schools, the promotion of flexibility in the curriculum and devolved school management arrangements, the contribution made by New Community Schools to supporting pupils’ learning and involving parents and carers, recognises the valuable contribution made by denominational schools and believes that our priorities should continue to be the provision of a high quality education appropriate to the needs of every young person in Scotland and closing the opportunity gap."

After debate, the amendment was agreed to ((DT) by division: For 87, Against 15, Abstentions 1).

Irene McGugan moved amendment S1M-3204.1 to motion S1M-3204—

Insert at end—

"within a strong and well-funded state educational system administered through Scotland’s local authorities."

After debate, the amendment was agreed to ((DT) by division: For 90, Against 15, Abstentions 1).

The motion, as amended, was then agreed to ((DT) by division: For 87, Against 15, Abstentions 1).

Accordingly the Parliament resolved—That the Parliament welcomes the Executive’s progress in investing in school education including A Teaching Profession for the 21st Century which recognises teachers’ valuable contribution, modernising the school estate, the establishment of clear national priorities for education with an improvement framework involving both local authorities and schools, the promotion of flexibility in the curriculum and devolved school management arrangements, the contribution made by New Community Schools to supporting pupils’ learning and involving parents and carers, recognises the valuable contribution made by denominational schools and believes that our priorities should continue to be the provision of a high quality education appropriate to the needs of every young person in Scotland and closing the opportunity gap within a strong and well-funded state educational system administered through Scotland’s local authorities.

3. Business Motion: Patricia Ferguson, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, moved S1M-3202—That the Parliament agrees—

(a) the following programme of business—

Wednesday 19 June 2002

2.30 pm Time for Reflection

followed by Parliamentary Bureau Motions

followed by Local Government Committee Debate on its Report on Local Government Finance

followed by Motion on Private Hire Vehicles (Carriage of Dogs etc) Bill – UK Legislation

followed by Parliamentary Bureau Motions

5.00 pm Decision Time

followed by Members' Business

Thursday 20 June 2002

9.30 am Scottish National Party Business

followed by Parliamentary Bureau Motions

followed by Business Motion

2.30 pm Question Time

3.10 pm First Minister's Question Time

3.30 pm Stage 1 Debate on the School Meals (Scotland) Bill

followed by Parliamentary Bureau Motions

5.00 pm Decision Time

followed by Members' Business

Wednesday 26 June 2002

2.30 pm Time for Reflection

followed by Parliamentary Bureau Motions

followed by Committee of the Whole Parliament: Stage 2 of the University of St Andrews (Postgraduate Medical Degrees) Bill

followed by Stage 3 Debate on University of St Andrews (Postgraduate Medical Degrees) Bill

followed by Executive Business

followed by Parliamentary Bureau Motions

5.00 pm Decision Time

followed by Members' Business

Thursday 27 June 2002

9.30 am Parliamentary Bureau Motions

followed by Stage 3 Debate on Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner Bill

followed by Finance Committee Debate on its Report on Stage 1 of the 2003/04 Budget Process

followed by Business Motion

followed by Motion on appointment of Scottish Public Services Ombudsman and Deputy Ombudsmen

2.30 pm Question Time

3.10 pm First Minister's Question Time

3.30 pm Executive Business

followed by Parliamentary Bureau Motions

5.00 pm Decision Time

followed by Members' Business

and (b) that the Justice 2 Committee reports to the Justice 1 Committee by 17 June 2002 on the Criminal Legal Aid (Scotland) (Fees) Amendment Regulations 2002 (SSI 2002/246) and the Criminal Legal Aid (Fixed Payments) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2002 (SSI 2002/247) and by 24 June 2002 on the Civil Legal Aid (Scotland) Amendment (No.2) Regulations 2002 (SSI 2002/254).

The motion was agreed to.

4. Question Time: Questions were answered by the First Minister and other Ministers and junior Scottish Ministers.

5. Common Fisheries Policy: The Minister for Environment and Rural Development moved S1M-3197—That the Parliament welcomes publication of the European Commission’s proposals for reform of the Common Fisheries Policy; notes that Scottish priorities are reflected in the proposals; supports a collaborative and regional approach to reform involving the fishing industry and other stakeholders; acknowledges the need for a more sustainable balance between the catching capability of the fleet and available fish stocks, and recognises that a process of tough negotiations with other member states now lies ahead.

Richard Lochhead moved amendment S1M-3197.1 to motion S1M-3197—

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", while welcoming many of the developments in the revised Common Fisheries Policy, calls for the Scottish Executive and European Union to guarantee that Scotland’s historic fishing rights will be incorporated into the Common Fisheries Policy in perpetuity; believes that the proposed regional committees must have genuine decision-making powers to make a difference; notes that the EU continues to pursue damaging fisheries policies including the proposed inappropriate regulation of the deep-sea fishery, and calls on the Minister for Environment and Rural Development to demand that he leads the UK’s delegation during the forthcoming negotiations in order to secure Scotland’s objectives."

After debate, the amendment was disagreed to ((DT) by division: For 28, Against 63, Abstentions 15).

Mr Jamie McGrigor moved amendment S1M-3197.2 to motion S1M-3197—

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"but seeks assurances that Scotland’s recent decommissioning programme will be taken into account with regard to reductions in fleet sizes; supports a collaborative and regional approach to reform involving the fishing industry and other stakeholders; acknowledges the need for a more sustainable balance between the catching capability of the fleet and available fish stocks; recognises that a process of tough negotiations with other member states now lies ahead, which was highlighted in yesterday’s u-turn by the EU Fisheries Commissioner, Franz Fischler, over the issue of deep water species which has left our fleet with only 2% of that total allowable catch in their local waters, and further recognises that action of this kind will only serve to undermine confidence in the overall Common Fisheries Policy reform programme."

After debate, the amendment was disagreed to ((DT) by division: For 41, Against 64, Abstentions 1).

The motion was then agreed to ((DT) by division: For 79, Against 0, Abstentions 26).

6. Remits of Committees: Euan Robson, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, moved S1M-3199—That the Parliament agrees that resolution of the Parliament S1M-37, agreed on 8 June 1999, and as amended by resolutions S1M-1462 on 14 December 2000 and S1M-2230 on 19 September 2001, shall be further amended as follows:

Name of Committee: Education, Culture and Sport

Remit: To consider and report on matters relating to school and pre-school education and such other matters as fall within the responsibility of the Minister for Education and Young People; and on matters relating to culture and sport and such other matters, excluding tourism, as fall within the responsibility of the Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport

Name of Committee: Enterprise and Lifelong Learning

Remit: To consider and report on matters relating to the Scottish economy, industry, training and further and higher education and such other matters (excluding transport) as fall within the remit of the Minister for Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning; and on matters relating to tourism which fall within the responsibility of the Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport

Name of Committee: Local Government

Remit: To consider and report on matters relating to local government (including local government finance) and other matters (excluding finance other than local government finance) which fall within the responsibility of the Minister for Finance and Public Services

Name of Committee: Rural Development

Remit: To consider and report on matters relating to rural development, agriculture and fisheries and such other related matters as fall within the responsibility of the Minister for Environment and Rural Development

Name of Committee: Transport and the Environment

Remit: To consider and report on matters relating to transport which fall within the responsibility of the Minister for Enterprise, Transport and Lifelong Learning; matters relating to environment and natural heritage which fall within the responsibility of the Minister for Environment and Rural Development; and matters relating to the land use planning system and building standards which fall within the responsibility of the Minister for Social Justice.

The motion was agreed to (DT).

7. Approval of Draft Undertaking: Euan Robson, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, moved S1M-3200—That the Parliament agrees that the following be approved—

Draft Undertaking by the Scottish Ministers with the Consent of NorthLink Orkney and Shetland Ferries Ltd.

The motion was agreed to (DT).

8. Designation of Lead Committee: Euan Robson, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, moved S1M-3201—That the Parliament agrees that the Justice 1 Committee be designated as Lead Committee in consideration of the Title Conditions (Scotland) Bill and that the Justice 2 Committee be a secondary committee.

The motion was agreed to (DT).

9. Decision Time: The Parliament took decisions on items 1, 2, 5, 6, 7 and 8 as noted above.

10. Epilepsy: The Parliament debated S1M-3151 in the name of Gordon Jackson— That the Parliament notes with concern the 25% rate of misdiagnosis of epilepsy, as identified in The Misdiagnosis of Epilepsy: Findings of a Population Study (Scheepers, Clough and Pickles) and The Misdiagnosis of Epilepsy (Smith, Defalla and Chadwick); recognises and agrees that there is a need for a national framework for epilepsy, as already exists for diabetes, to improve standards of health care, and further notes that England and Wales are working towards such a framework for 2005.

11. Motion without Notice: Fergus Ewing moved without notice that, under Rule 8.14.3, the debate be extended until 6.05pm.

The motion was agreed to.

The meeting closed at 6.07 pm.

P E Grice

Clerk of the Parliament

13 June 2002

Appendix

(Note: this Appendix does not form part of the Minutes)

 

 

Other Documents

The following documents were laid before the Parliament on 13 June 2002 and are not subject to any Parliamentary procedure

Local Government Committee Report of Inquiry into Local Government Finance: Response of the Scottish Executive (SE/2002/104)

Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000: Supplement to Code of Practice for Persons Authorised to Carry out Medical Treatment or Research Under Part V of the Act (SE/2002/111)

laid under the Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000

Committee Reports

The following Report was published on 13 June 2002

Local Government Committee, 11th Report 2002: Report on Subordinate Legislation (SP Paper 601)

 

 


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